poorboy Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Tqj3 I think you do understand "driving" but maybe not "racing". If you try to get everything you can out of a car and you get caught then ok, you deserve the DQ and maybe the fine but I don't beleive that makes you a bad racer or crewcheif. Everybody tries something that is marginal as far as the rules go, but I would bet that 99% of the time that stuff doesn't get a win or even a pole. It is no different than knocking someone up out of the way so you can pass, you are not supposed to do it but if it means one position most people are going to do it. Personnally I don't give a crap if Jimmy ever wins another race but I don't think thinks makes him less of a racer or Chad less of a crewcheif. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tqj3 Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Poorboy- My point was in reference to "cookie cutter" cars, which everyone seems to think you "can't race." The same thing is said in reference to crate motors: if everybody has the same motor, you "can't race." Why not? As I've said before, give us a handful of box stock Chevy Chevette five-speeds, or Chevy Corvette five-speeds, and I'll pick one at random and blow your doors off. (If I don't believe I can do that, I'm not a racer in the first place. I'll either figure out a way to get around you, or I won't, but I'll be getting the most I can out of the car either way.) Why does everyone have to have an "edge" for it to be racing? Sure, 1-crew, you have to have different cars and different chassis for different tracks if everyone else is going to have that option, but why would it mean you couldn't race if no one had that option? I've raced in series where you couldn't do a damn thing to the car, you just had to figure out how to drive around whatever shortcomings it had. Some guys like driving, and some like building and setting up. Fine. But the problem now in NASCAR is that building and setting up (legal or otherwise) is worth far more than driving, and if they don't fix that, we're done. You will wind up with a bunch of pretty boys (and girls) who can't drive a hot nail in a snowbank, but can push down the gas and hang on once the car is set up and then get out of the car and get all the sponsors' names mentioned smoothly. Anybody ever wonder what's going to happen when the rest of the world finds out what we already know: that the modern racing drivers aren't the best, just the best financed? How much credibility will NASCAR, or IRL, or Formula 1 have then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelracewriter Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 ^^^^^^^^^ .....continuing to make friends and influence people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KISS_Racing Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Ok now I get it... It's no longer called CHEATING it's called On Track Research or R&D for short... Wait I think I've heard of that before... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1-Crew Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Keep practicing KISS, you've almost got it down.. One more time with FEELING! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAPA Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Chad misses 3 more races. Gets $25,000 fine. On probation till end of the year. I think they should have added another "0" to thr fine. jmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrum Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 What the hell am I missing here? Why did Terry lose driver points, when JJ doesn't? How did NASCAR differentiate on the issue of penalizing driver(s)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REBELRACER Posted February 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 unless knaus' infraction was seen as massaging the gray area in the rules and terry's team was a rule infraction of something plainly written in the rules..........to massage a rule is a liitle different than to break a written rule in their eyes i guess............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAMS boy Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 So, you can cheat and not lose driver or owner points, but you can't say the 4 letter "s" word. Does that make sense? Ask Junior. Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 What the hell am I missing here? Why did Terry lose driver points, when JJ doesn't? How did NASCAR differentiate on the issue of penalizing driver(s)? Not sure but, Knaus was suspended for 4 races ( like Harvick's crew chief last year). I'll bet someone was docked the same points last year on the illegal carb thing and they had to make the penalty pretty much the same. Just a guess though, Mel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KISS_Racing Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Keep practicing KISS, you've almost got it down.. One more time with FEELING! 'Nuff Said!' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonSenseRacing Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Poorboy- My point was in reference to "cookie cutter" cars, which everyone seems to think you "can't race." The same thing is said in reference to crate motors: if everybody has the same motor, you "can't race." Some guys like driving, and some like building and setting up. Fine. But the problem now in NASCAR is that building and setting up (legal or otherwise) is worth far more than driving, and if they don't fix that, we're done. You will wind up with a bunch of pretty boys (and girls) who can't drive a hot nail in a snowbank, but can push down the gas and hang on once the car is set up and then get out of the car and get all the sponsors' names mentioned smoothly. tgj3, I agree, but pretty boy, if that's the case how did the BUSH brothers sneak through the back gate. lol CSR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tqj3 Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 CSR- They probably looked a lot better sitting on Daddy's wallet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrum Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 Fox Sports website - Larry McReynolds article on why no points deduction for the 48. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacecar Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 They can explain it to me, but they can't understand it for me! I don't think a lawyer (even with an engineer's help) could successfully explain the fine differences in NASCAR's interpretation to a jury of racing peers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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